It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
His request was for links to stories where creators had issues with management.Alright fellow geeks. I need some help. With the recent news regarding the Batwoman creative team, DC has finally done something that can be classified as "the straw that broke the camels back" for alot of fans. Without going into too much detail (that will come later once I finish what I'm going to do) I need some help from you fine folks.
What I Need: Links to every news story you can remember of DC vs creators since the New 52.
I think the difference, at least for me, is that This is the End is an apocalypse movie. it is in the title. Independence Day is a story about an alien invasion that beats all of humanity to the brink of extinction. And Nagasaki is a piece of actual history.Man of Steel Death Toll "mythic" according to Zack Snyder
And now, more yelling.
I don't know. I understand people's problem with the superman killing thing, but not really with the violence overall caused by Zod and his minions. We've seen similar amounts or much, much, much worse in other movies, some this year. In Independence Day the aliens totally level major metropolises all around the world. In This Is The End, the whole world ends. In Avengers we don't see as many building crumble, but millions of aliens invade and start killing people and then millions more are blown up by a nuclear weapon. In Wolverine we see Nagasaki get leveled.
Edit: Even in Superman: The Movie we see a nuclear bomb go off. Not many, if any, deaths are depicted on screen... but c'mon.
Agreed. I think as comics fans we, as a group, tend to put more energy and time into organizing the mental real estate of continuity. But I don't think continuity or multiple versions of a character confuse the general audience as much as we sometimes think it will; nor does is concern the general audience as much as it does us.Frankly, I don’t think the general audience is going to give much thought as to whether this Batman is the same Batman from the Nolan movies or not. Just like they don’t care if the Daniel Craig Bond is the same as the Sean Connery Bond or the Timothy Dalton Bond. They know Batman, and as long as Batman has pointy ears and a cape and that Bat symbol on his chest, and a cool car, that’ll be good enough for them.
This is popcorn fare. The general audience just wants to be entertained.
Every reader, new and established, is different of course. And want different amounts of information and different paces. For example, some people, when the New 52 launched, wanted that first five years of continuity (that gutter between when the Justice League first met each other to the present where most of the books were set) detailed out in a timeline in the back of the book. Already committed to dates and events. And that's fair. Some people want that amount of guidebook information. To me, that is limiting. That is reducing your stories to Wikipedia paragraphs before the stories even get told.I don't know that DC's intention with the New52 was to avoid multiple or alternative versions of their characters. Because even if, briefly, that was the case in their comics, at the same time the New52 launched, there were already concurrent, alternate versions of these characters existing in series of movies, video games, cartoons, direct to DVD features, etc. So even the most easily confused hypothetical reader would have, say, other versions of Batman in their head at the same time of month one of the New52.
Besides, I don't think readers actually get confused by multiple versions of the same character. Especially when it comes to characters like a Batman or Superman that even a non-comic reading person gets have had multiple versions across a variety of media in their own lifetime.
In a time when an average moviegoer is familiar with the term "reboot", I don't think confusion from alternate versions of a character are really a concern.
Well, let me put it this way.
I have been reading comics all of my life, since about 1973. I am well-versed in DC lore, continuity, movies, Elseworlds, etc. all the way up to, oh about the 52/countdown series'. I have not read a lot of the New 52 stuff, and just reading press releases and seeing covers confuses the hell out of me.
Imagine what Joe Shmoe, who just saw Dark Knight Rises, thinks when he finally goes into the comics store. Accessible? I don't think so. It's not even accessible to me. I understand, and even enjoy, the different versions "across a variety of media", but have no clue as to the current relationships of Batman, Nighwing, Damien, Robin, Red Robin, Red Hood, BatGirl, BatWoman, etc.
And, make no mistake, accessibility was the top of the list of objectives at the New52 launch.