JSA4me

Torchsong gets it.

Well, there's a first time for everything... :)

Okay, here's a question for you should fans be rewarded for their loyalty to a character even if the copyright owner wants to make drastic change?

No.

The copyright owner owes you a comic. Nothing more. Nothing less. And it's not even a two-way street. You don't owe the copyright owner anything. You have the choice not to buy their book, see their movie, download their songs.

Example: Captain Marvel. I love the character. I've read pretty much everything they've ever put out about him. I winced when they gave Mary Marvel purple pigtails and started showing her ass every five minutes in Countdown...because that wasn't what (to me) the character was about. As a result, I didn't buy Countdown. I don't see myself purchasing this current incarnation of Cap, either. I might check it out in a store, but I vote with my dollars, and the $3-4 I'd use to buy a story about Cap I'm not likely to enjoy would be much more appreciated by the indie company or self-publisher who has a story I *would* like to read, don't you think?

Here's the fun thing, though...if you don't like something, and you don't buy it, that'll come back to the copyright holder. "Wow, people aren't digging what we're doing with Green Arrow. Maybe we should re-tool him or just cancel the title and bring him back later." Those three George Washingtons are your ONLY real way of really showing a company what you think about what they're doing. It's why I buy Demon Knights day and date of release. I want DC to know that I really enjoy this book.

Glad you like the original Captain Marvel, and I agree with most of what you've said. Sometimes I think it's appropriate to do more than passively not buy the comic. Protests and criticism have their place.

I was hoping to see more people upset with DC's New 52. This was DC basically firing its own fans.

I don't understand why, for example, JSA had to be canned. I don't understand why in order to put Cyborg into the JLA they had to write him as though he never existed before. The Aquaman in the JLA doesn't seem to be born today, like the Superman and Wonder Woman they put in this new JLA. Mr. Terrific could have been given his own title without taking an eraser to his own history, and that of the JSA. Why couldn't we keep the JSA and give Mr. Terrific his own title?

I don't understand why it had to be one way or the other. Why couldn't we have Supes, Bats, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg in a new JLA lineup? Why take the approach that all of these characters are brand new?

I don't like " you don't have to know or remember anything in order to enjoy this comic," approach because it appeals to ignorance. I don't think something that is often the starting point for children to get into reading should do that. A tongue-in-cheek- approach, what, you didn't buy the previous issue, shame on you, might work too. I think they should be able to write stories where if you don't know anything you'll still enjoy the comic, but if you do you'll enjoy it more. I think the more you bring to something the more you'll enjoy it. If you take the time to educate yourself about Shakespeare, then, I think, the more you will enjoy watching a live production of one of his plays.

A New 52 Hamlet would be one guy coming out, saying hi, I'm Hamlet, and almost everyone dies, good night.

Torchsong gets it. To me this revamp was totally unnecessary, and to add insult to injury, it's not even evenly applied. Aquaman is really the same old character and taken seriously. He's got a good creative team behind him. Green Arrow now is just terrible, and an insult not only to Mike Grell, but to Green Arrrow fans. Okay, here's a question for you should fans be rewarded for their loyalty to a character even if the copyright owner wants to make drastic change? Would you accept a Sherlock Holmes who was a lesbian truck driver from New Jersey who was not a detective? Is that still Sherlock Holmes? I would say NO.

@JSA4me, before Ollie was the liberal, skirt-chasing (OK, fishnet-chasing), conscience of the JLA, he was a millionaire with an arrow cave and an arrowcar, and a kid sidekick, and largely indistinguishable from the Batman of the era. Then he lost everything and his character evolved. In one issue

The new series is starting him fresh and is intended to show the transition from millionaire playboy to crusading liberal over time. Sounds like it could be a good story to me, if they get the right writer.

Well, no. It's not starting fresh to retell a story arch that was done well to begin with. To me they're doing this to skirt around the problem of the fact that even though killed and brought back to life this Green Arrow has been slinging arrows for more than 50 years. So, they're going to pretend he really started being green arrow in about 2011 and that's how they'll keep him young. And he probably lost his money in the mortgage backed securities meltdown instead of being swindled out of it, of him personally being swindled out of it, which if they do that I think detracts a lot of motivation for why he's a hero in the first place.

You're all wrong. The correct answer is...it's a disaster. Drastic change for the sake of drastic change and renumbering comics with a #1 issue will always draw in new customers, after all there's a sucker born every minute. But, heroes cannot exist with no past, no context, no history. They have a character they are calling Green Arrow, but this is clearly not Green Arrow. If you want a new comic, write one, with a new character. This Green Arrow is an attempt to show a Smallville type Green Arrow, a corporate CEO, a guy who relies on a team of hi-tech geeks guiding him by an earpiece down dark alleys and telling him which arrow to use. The one with the goatee could do it all by himself. The old Ollie was a Liberal, who chased women, and whose favorite food was chili. He was often the voice of conscience in the JLA, or when teamed up with Batman or Green Lantern. I want him back. The hell with this version.

I hate everything about the new 52. I've said it for years, if you want to get rich sell erasers to DC Comics. I see a lot of the new ideas are being cancelled. Great. Now that you've forced this upon us, and it failed can we have our old heroes back please? Can we have heroes who remember each other? Can I have my JSA back, please? But, do get Alan Scott back into his old costume, that last one, honestly, what the hell were you folks thinking?