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I really enjoyed Earth 2 but listening to Murd's rant is starting to make me change my mind...he is going off!
Think ill give this new wave a pass till powergirls cleveage comes back,lol.
Just got through the second half of the show. I'm pretty sure I remember the 70's Unknown Soldier having an origin story. Something about a brother who jumped on a grenade saving the Unknown Soldier's life but still allowing schrapnel to destroy his face. Of course, this came about mid-way through the series and certainly not in the first issue. Anybody else with me here or am I mis-remembering this?
Looked at Earth 2 in the store and was too put off to bother buying it. I'm sick to effin' death of superhero snuff porn comics, especially from DC. Ever since Identity Crisis they've been all "See, look at this, we rape and murder our characters, look at how real and mature we are?" Well, there's nothing less mature than loudly proclaiming you're mature. It was true in middle school, it's true now. I read superhero comics for escapist entertainment, not hamfisted reminders of the "real" world (and why worry about making comics featuring superpowered alien refugees and Amazon princesses "real" in the first place?). So I vote with my wallet.
Mayberry says thanks and happy motoring.
But by killing them off in the opening pages, Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are reduced to plot devices instead of characters. It just seems like an attempt to go "Hey, see, we're killing off the Big 3... anything can happen, maaaaaan!" And it's easy shock value, because the perception is that we already know the Trinity, but we don't know these people at all (hell, we still don't really know their new Earth 1 counterparts all that well), and unless they're brought back (which, of course, could very well happen), we won't know any more than that which we already assume thanks to their places in American culture.Just seems like a huge missed opportunity to me. But, of course, I greatly prefer Earth 2 Classic to what we've glimpsed of New Coke Earth (and, to be honest, a lot of other DC properties, too, pre- and post-Flashpoint), so I'm admittedly biased. My mileage may vary. And that's okay, because there are still plenty of comics to read out there that'll give me the sort of storytelling I'm after.If people are reading and enjoying this book, that's awesome. May we all find comics we enjoy. But it's not my bag, babies.
I have to agree with David on this one. And I am as big a fan of the Justice Society as anyone (except maybe Roy Thomas). Look, my favorite comic as a kid was DC Special #29 (The Untold Origin of the JSA), and I too would love to see another series set in WWII. But by the same token, it’s been done. I don’t really need to see that again. And how many new readers are going to want to see a series set in WWII? So I completely understand and have no problem with creating a new Earth-2 set in modern times. As for the trinity, Superman and Batman only made cameo appearances in All-Star #7 and All-Star #36—they were only honorary members. And although they were retro-fitted into the team in the ’70s, I don’t really think of them as JSAers. Wonder Woman didn’t join the team until All-Star #12, and even then it was only as Secretary. She appeared in nearly every issue, but outside of issue #12, she never had a solo chapter like everyone else on the team. She didn’t become an active participant in the adventures until near the end of the series.The trinity were the heroes who inspired the rest to become heroes—just as they apparently are in Earth 2. James knows his DC history, and I would not be at all surprised if this is at least part of the reason he (and DC—let’s not assume he’s been given free rein) chose to kill off the Big Three.From a writer’s perspective, I would kill them off too. “New” characters or not, Bats, Supes, and Wondy come with a lot of baggage. If I’m trying to build a new world with new twists and new surprises, I want as little baggage to deal with as possible. James has shown in the past that he’s at his best when dealing with new or unknown/discarded characters—characters without any baggage. Yeah, the JSA characters do have a recognition factor and a certain amount of baggage, but not nearly on the scale of the trinity. So I’m perfectly happy to have them out of the way.
I liked Ravegers. If you are a fan of gen13 or new mutants and the like, give it a shot. It's better than teen titans. And I don't see it as this big 90s book like the other Geeks. It has a better plot. Sure the characters are cookie cutter stereotypes, especially lightning. But how many marvel books are just like that? And dc has had decades of cookies. The best advice is to read it and judge it yourself.
I have to agree with David on this one.